CPI of 1/8: Eliziane Gama considers listening to Bolsonaro, Ibaneis – 05/30/2023 – Power

Rapporteur for the January 8 CPI, Senator Eliziane Gama (PSD-MA) states that she wants to summon the military and address the episodes that occurred between the defeat of Jair Bolsonaro (PL) and the invasion of the headquarters of the three Powers.

A friend of the Minister of Justice and former governor of Maranhão Flávio Dino (PSB), Gama says that the CPI will not spare the Lula government (PT), but draws attention to the role of the Government of the Federal District —and claims that there are chances ” reais” by Ibaneis Rocha (MDB) to be summoned.

“If we have to call all of them, we will,” he says to Sheet.

Mrs. it was not the government’s first option for rapporteurship. Why Mrs. accepted? I received a call from the party the night of the previous day, asking if the rapporteurship would suddenly stay with the PSD, if I would accept the rapporteurship. And I said: I’m up. After jacks [Wagner] called me Randolf [Rodrigues].

I’m a woman that it’s very difficult for me to say no to what I believe in. I would never say no, I wouldn’t sleep well. My life has always been full of challenges. A challenge of this nature, which is an important and legitimate challenge, I would never say no.

One of the government’s arguments against the CPI is that the PF and the Judiciary are already investigating. Can the CPI contribute? A CPI has a very strong character of transparency and popular involvement. You have an investigation by the Federal Police, but you don’t know what’s going on because a good part of it is secret from Justice and such.

[Na CPI] hearings are public, so you participate. In fact, we already have ongoing investigations. Now, when you start a hearing, when you start talking in plenary, and listening to the people, more information will automatically arrive. I tell you this for the first day of CPI. On the first day I already received thousands of messages here on my cell phone. Thousands of people: ‘Look, there’s a video to send. Did you see that and stuff?’ So, a volume of information begins to arrive.

What shares does Mrs. go ask? From inquiries that are already underway and from the CPI here in Brasilia. Supreme and also PF. Let’s ask for at least part of the information.

Minister Flávio Dino called Mrs. also? No. He didn’t even know. He found out later on social media. I didn’t get to talk to Flávio at any time. After I was elected, I met him in Maranhão and even played with him. He said, even in a joking tone: Eliziane, rapporteur, people are talking about me, about you, we can’t be friends. He started to play. He didn’t even know. Sincerely. There was no conversation. Even because I wasn’t even dealing with it, as I’m telling you.

I received a challenge from the party, there was no other type of deal involving Flávio. Even though I’m absolutely close to Flávio. It’s a fact, everyone knows. That’s public knowledge, right?

Senator Marcos do Val criticized this proximity to the minister and said that Mrs. can be biased. Marcos do Val has the right to speak, as a parliamentarian that he is. He can kick, but he won’t go beyond that.

It would be unconstitutional for me to leave the rapporteurship. I’m not investigated, I don’t have anything that prevents me from doing the commission’s work. Another thing, we are looking into January 8th. We are not investigating one person specifically here. We have a series of people who will be heard by the CPI, not just one person.

Who should be the first people summoned? The 8th, to occur, you had previous days. What was the main point being debated? It was the issue of non-acceptance of the election result.

So, I’m going to take the clipping of the 31st [de outubro] on the 8th [de janeiro] to do some research around it. So, for example, you have the 12th of December, which was the day of graduation itself. Those were terrible acts. Burning buses and stuff like that.

And the 24th [de dezembro], which was an attempted explosion. Around that you have a series of situations. Who was there, for example, in relation to the government command of the GDF, because it has the primary responsibility for protecting the space here in the Praça dos Três Poderes, even though each of these Powers also has its own police.

But there is a previous one which is the police here in Brasilia. You have a budget of R$ 10 billion from the Constitutional Fund just for that. So we need to raise this there. And we will focus on financing, which is a very important point.

Summoning governors was an issue at the Covid CPI and even some managed not to come by court decision. Mrs. Do you think it’s important to listen to Ibaneis Rocha? In the case of the governor of the GDF, there is a real possibility, right? There are some definitions at the Supreme level, but he is investigated, the governor of Brasilia. There’s a difference.

For example: in the case of the Pandemic CPI, we did not call the governors. There wasn’t, for example, a more materialized thing about them. Yes, there is a possibility [Possibilidade] real of it happening.

Of him being summoned? Of him being summoned.

Jair Bolsonaro said that if he is summoned, he will come. It’s a possibility? There is a possibility that he will come. This is a fact. Again, it might as well not come. We have 180 days. So I think that, in these first two months, it’s important to take stock of the situation. What’s wrong with you. And then leave. If you have to take a more ostensive action, yes. If we have to call him, we will. Because it’s absolutely possible for that to happen, right?

And Anderson Torres? It is a name that will also be heard. Even for his function. Naturally it will be heard. I even believe it will be soon. It is a name that will be heard for sure.

And the military? We’re going to call in the military. That’s for sure we will. What they are also I still can’t tell you, but we will have the call.

The Covid CPI avoided the call-up of the military. When talking about the military, you have to have a certain understanding that, even for general harmony, you have to have a lot of balance in these matters. But that doesn’t make it unfeasible, for example, if someone made some kind of mistake or illegality, you call. No way. Even because, if I call a military man, I am not saying that the whole Army is corrupt, that the whole Army planned it.

That military man who eventually planned or financed or thought intellectually can be pulled out to be heard. You can be sure of that. It does not mean that they are the Brazilian Armed Forces.

And how Mrs. evaluate the performance of the federal government? See well. Omission, eventually, we have to know whose it was. It omits those who have the responsibility to do it and did not. Once again I say to you: if there is someone who should have acted within the structure of the current government and did not act, he has to be held accountable. Now, to say today that this is real, I cannot say. Even because I don’t have elements that subsidize me [nesse sentido].

Day 8 is a fact. You only had seven days of government, it was the eighth day. Another thing. Ostensible security is provided by the Military Police. The Federal Police, for example, is a judicial police, it does not do the ostensible work. Who does the protection work here is the Military Police of the DF. So much so that it is funded by the federal government. I mean, if it wasn’t, if it was a regular police, fine. But it’s not the case. She is paid for it.

And the camps? Well, the camps had been set up at the Army’s door since the 31st. [de outubro]. I ask you: can you hold a demonstration outside the Army? Set up camp there today? Who can go to the door of the Army today and demonstrate against anyone? How did this complacency come about?

“Eliziane, so you’re saying that the Armed Forces formed a plot, a collusion?” No, I’m saying that eventually, if someone did it, someone has to be held accountable.

Mrs. she has been one of the main voices in Congress in defense of women’s rights and in denouncing machismo. Are there allies on this agenda? I think that today women are cohesive in this sense. Men sometimes say they support, but we actually see few in this struggle, in this fight. For example, the president of the CPI [da Covid]which was Omar Aziz, had a very intense fight for us to have our speech.

right now the indication [do meu nome]. When the hubbub was there, the confusion, he got there and shouted: there’s going to be a woman, there’s going to be Eliziane. There are men who help us with this agenda. We have the technical quality to assume the position we want. The problem is that sometimes the opportunity doesn’t come.

Mrs. Do you think men can afford to give up these roles? Yes definitely. Not us women. Why would I not accept [ser relatora]? Because some men gave up, right? But not women. We seize opportunities.

Congress has just emptied the ministries of the Environment and Indigenous Peoples. As Mrs. do you rate it? We are still fighting the same battles that we fought four years ago. Because we may have changed the government, but the composition of Congress is still very bad from an environmental point of view. In the National Congress, it has not changed. The ruralist group is very strong.

And we have a very big challenge, which is to overcome the negative guidelines they present. You get the Environment Commission here. We lose. The Agriculture Commission. We lose. There has to be a very strong articulation of the federal government to prevent this from happening.

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Eliziane Gama, 46

She is leader of the block formed by PSD, PT and PSB in the Senate, coordinator of the environmentalist group and rapporteur of the CPI of January 8th. She was the leader of the women’s group and one of Lula’s interlocutors with evangelicals during the campaign. Journalist, she was a state deputy twice and a federal deputy before being elected senator in 2018