Government leader predicts intensification of debates on IPE-Saúde
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The next mission of government leader Eduardo Leite (PSDB) in the Legislative Assembly, Frederico Antunes (PP), will be to articulate the approval of the restructuring of the IPE-Saúde. He, who has never lost a vote on an Executive project in the leadership of the governor, believes that the debates will intensify when the final project for the health plan for state public servants is filed.
In this interview to Jornal do ComércioAntunes talks about the new disposition of the political forces in Rio Grande do Sul and the ideological future of the PP, which split in the 2022 state elections and may have a new president as of September.
After seven terms in the Assembly, Antunes says he will not run again as a state deputy.
Jornal do Comércio – With the negotiations with the parties over, will the restructuring of the IPE tend to move faster?
Frederico Antunes – We held meetings with all parties. The governor directed that a compilation of all suggestions be made. So let’s organize the project.
JC – How was the climate between the deputies after the conversations?
Antunes – Everyone, or the vast majority, understands that a change must be made to the IPE. From now on, we have to make the adjustments possible. What you cannot do is weaken the bigger problem, which is the solution to the deficit.
JC – Will the debates intensify when the text goes to Parliament?
Antunes – Yes.
JC – In addition to the IPE, the Assembly today has left and right opposition to the Leite government. Do you expect this to bring difficulties for the government?
Antunes – Before talking about opposition or situation, I prefer to talk about disposition. Regardless of sides, there is one option that we take with conviction, which is to be willing to dialogue. Both with opposition, and who is from the government itself. Because there may be someone from parties that are attached to the base of the government, but not being willing to dialogue, it becomes a contrary vote. Just as there are people who are not part of the situation, who are willing to dialogue and who can vote in favor of a proposal.
JC – The first Leite government had 42 deputies on the base. In this legislature, can you have difficulty?
Antunes – The government had 42 deputies and sometimes it was the votes of opposition parties that gave us victory.
JC – In which situation?
Antunes – We extended the ICMS rates with the votes of the opposition. We lost votes from the situation and won votes from the opposition. Because there was willingness to understand what was the best way. Having conviction is an exercise that does not happen overnight. To be convinced, it involves a deep analysis, maturing what has as its principle to be in front of the panel and press yes or no.
JC – So far, as leader of the government, you have not lost a vote.
Antunes – We didn’t lose a vote because we had the collective capacity, the Executive and the Parliament, to exhaust. We are going to exhaustion, if not completely, of exhausting the possibility of exchanging ideas. At some point, you have to decide. This is a responsibility of those who assume the capacity to govern. The governor talks, talks a lot, but he has to govern. And to govern is to make decisions. The time for appreciation has arrived, send it to Parliament. It is a decision that needs to be made. It is the willingness to change. And what focuses us the most to make changes is the fiscal health of the State. There is no improvement in care in the hospital network, in the health network, in the waterway, railway, road infrastructure, if it does not have the capacity to invest, or to safely attract investment. The State has lost this over time. I have seven terms. I’ve been in office for 30 years and dreaming of being someone who would contribute to my state. During all this time, I dreamed and could not realize it, because the State that I would like to be different could not be different. From two governments to now, we started to practice a process of alteration. And that we cannot lose. It is a path that has no return. If we want the good of the State, we cannot go back.
JC – In addition to Parliament, how do you see this new disposition of forces in Rio Grande do Sul?
Antunes – I still couldn’t be sure of the disposition of forces. Some parties perhaps have it clearer, other parties are still a bit confused.
JC – How are the parties disposed today?
Antunes – I’m talking about mine. From the other families, I ask that each one of them make their reflections. But I think that recent party changes have brought about a grouping, not because of ideological affinities, but momentarily. These adjustments will continue until people again identify with what they would definitely like to have as an association, which would support and cover their political activity. I think that there are parties that are very well defined in their thinking and there are others that, in recent years, either grew or declined for reasons that are not reasons of ideological identity, but because of a fight over acronym.
JC – The government and the governor have spoken less about full-time schools, one of the main goals of the administration. Why?
Antunes – There are a series of actions that we outline. First, education is a priority. Within this umbrella called education, recovery of school structures, we are already putting together a strategic plan to take the demands that are dammed up and update, regionalizing, individualizing by school, the ability to do what has to be done, taking the hundred and few considered the most important by the volume of works, by the values and so on. We are also calling for 1,500 teachers through a public tender, which we haven’t done for a long time. We would like to be calling more. Who knows, we might be able to do that in the future. We are doing, which was another need, what we call an emergency call. And so on. In the middle of this period, which is not long, now that the school year has started, we had an episode that became our biggest concern, which is the safety of the schools.
JC – And how is this issue today? How is the state government positioning itself in relation to this?
Antunes – The government acted quickly to put its strength and its capacity to provide security, to help minimize people’s shock with what happened. There was a pact with the communication networks to prevent these facts from creating news that started to generate diffuse interests. It was an integrated combination of public and private people protection network. The state is doing its part. It is also good for us to point out that along with the first attitude, to create a greater network of protection through the security forces and through the means of communicating the facts that occurred, there was also the need to call the families to also make a reflection on habits and customs, without wanting to intervene on someone’s habit, someone’s custom, but a reflection. If you don’t do that, you’re not fighting the cause, you’re fighting the consequence and there will be no end. It was a fact that took us a long time. It has taken us, for obvious reasons. And we are not talking about other issues that are in the action plan.
JC – You commented on parties that have a more defined ideological position, and others less so. Is the PP from Rio Grande do Sul today from the center or from the right?
Antunes – It’s a center-right party. Some coreligionists may say that it is a right-wing party. I feel center-right, but I’m not going to make my conviction plural.
JC – Is there already discussion for the succession of Celso Bernardi, who should remain in the presidency of the party until September?
Antunes – He still has an energy capable of helping, and something that is fundamental: the seasoning that only time gives. Celso donated himself decades to the party. He has the right to say that he wants to stop for a while, to choose where he wants to stay. About succession, I think it’s very difficult. He reached a level where any political party has respect for Celso. The party will have an election in September. The municipal elections are in May and the conventional ones for September are chosen now, which are the mayors and the delegates. There are three votes per municipality. Celso doesn’t miss a meeting of the state bench. It serves all municipalities in the state from morning to night.
JC – Without a conciliatory president and a PP that split in the elections, will the course of the party be in dispute?
Antunes – I think the party is much bigger than a party presidency. Just like the football team is much bigger than the team president. The president is chosen by a majority. If there is a dispute, there are already names that are making themselves available to compete in Celso’s place.
JC – What are the names?
Antunes – Those who made themselves available were Covatti (Filho), the mayor (of Esteio) Leonardo Pascoal, the mayor of Condor, Valdir Land, and the mayor of Farroupilha, Fabiano Feltrin. But there are still no entries. All who are putting themselves are great names. Celso stated that in September the cycle ends, but there may also be an appeal from the party for Celso to stay one more period, it is not discarded.
JC – After so many mandates in the Assembly, don’t you think about taking bigger flights?
Antunes – It is certain that I will no longer run for state deputy in the next election. If I’m going to run for another role, I can’t say. But not state.
JC – Why?
Antunes – I have a combination with my district mates. My Uruguaiana mayor, Ronnie Mello, a young man I joined the party. It’s time he had the opportunity to run for state representative. The mayor of São Borja, Eduardo Bonotto, who was president of Famurs, is also re-elected, young, mayor of my region, as well as other councilors. My role is to support the chair of my region. I already supported it and I think that now my big challenge is to move on to one of them. Where I’m going is about a situation that’s going to have to be worked out over the next four years.
JC – What main delivery would you like to make as leader of the government?
Antunes – We consolidate a State that has the capacity to deliver, to be prosperous, to even make people from outside have an interest in coming here, in investing here. With the gauchos who left here, we are the greatest colonizers in this country. We need to carry out a maintenance action for those who are able to stay and help with internal development. And with that we generate a greater capacity for dignity. Our strength today in areas such as energy, for example, can lift us up and lead us to something that will be extremely important to us. So we need investments from insiders and for that the State has to be in order. The State has immense potential, it just cannot help moving away from this idea of having balance. Each and every tax change we made was due to the State’s inability to support it. There was a breakdown. So we went there and ‘we got our hands on’ to be able to get resources, through a tax increase for those who were already struggling to survive. The State can no longer do this again. The State has to give the possibility for those who generate revenue capacity, which are investors, micro, small, medium and large entrepreneurs, MEIs, startups, to be interested in doing what they know how to do here in Rio Grande do Sul, to help us, with that strength, to generate opportunities, generate revenue, and the State knows how to use this revenue in what is essential. That’s what Eduardo Leite did. He generated a path for us, through his way of leading the State, which we have to know how to take advantage of. No partisanship. You can move a little there, but not change the core. If we know how to take advantage of it, the State will continue to prosper and will continue to grow.
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